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jan oliver: My results look very much like yours. My family are Griffin and Gibsons originally from Virginia ...ended up in Texas. Thanks for sharing.
farrell duttom: i'm related to the flannagansin northwest alabama . johngot here in about 1780 or 1790 . he married a indianwoman . according to familyhistory,they intermarried with the borden family,whointermarried with the duttons. instead of indian weyoung were told we wereblack dutch .
captainelectric1: this is a great blog,very interesting to me. i am black dutch my paternal grandmother told me the story of her people when i was a teenager.she said they were indian(she whipered indian). she told me it was my head that reminded her of her people, i have the melungeon bump on my head, of corse she had no knowing of melungeon, they came from knox and blont co's.tn. their surname was flanagan and i am researching my family tree. any help would be grateful. her fathers name was Moses Flanagan,grand

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Sunday, October 25th 2009

9:03 AM

The Archer Family: and the Roma Gypsy Connection to Black Dutch and Melungeons

THE ARCHER FAMILY: AND THE ROMANI GYPSY CONNECTION TO THE BLACK DUTCH AND MELUNGEONS

I have had the fortune (some racist would say misfortune) of being of several families of mixed ethnic heritage. When I say “mixed” I am talking of being of non Northern European ancestry and the “mix” also including Mediterranean and Eastern European ancestry and not just “non white” ancestry.

Some of these families are the Archer (Cherokee/Melungeon), Giddens (Cherokee), Mowery (Cherokee), Cole (Ohio Melungeon/Tuscarora), Webb (Tuscarora), Bounds (Welsh/Tuscarora/Melungeon), Wolf (Black Dutch), Wolfe (Black Dutch), Rousom (Mediterranean), Reasoner/Reasonaier (French Huguenot), Froman/Vrooman (French Walloon), Speers (French Walloon), Minnick (Black Dutch), Vinson, Miller (Native American/Black Dutch) and many many more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melungeon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_(Romani_subgroup)

 

The Roma Gypsy first came to the United States early and integrated with others of obscure ancestry other than Northern European. The origin of the Roma, also in error known as "Gypsy", is India, and they migrated to Europe in waves beginning some 2000 years ago. They are found from Russia to England to Spain and into North Africa and the Middle East.

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The term “Black Dutch” is also used for the German Gypsy (Sinti and Roma) and they have been referred to as “Black Dutch” for quite some time. The term “Black Dutch" in America has been used for several mixed groups of peoples and families.

The Melungeons have also been called Black Dutch and the surnames I have associated to them are Archer, Adams and Cole.

I was born with the surname ARCHER, and the Archer family has a long history in the United States as well as one associated with “Melungeon type” ancestry and mixed blood ancestry.

I trace my Archer family back to Lawrence County Tennessee where they were on records as being of the trade of “Blacksmiths” and in this County they intermarried exclusive with the Byrd, Lyons and Cannon families. Before that they were in North Carolina near Hertford County. The Blacksmith trade is a possible clue to Romani Gypsy origin.

According to this website.

http://www.paulpolansky.nstemp.com/original%20research.html

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How many times had I heard about itinerant Gypsy blacksmiths in Europe? In India I found the Lohar, still making their wares at curbside, a small hole scooped out for water, another for their coals kept red hot by the blacksmith's wife turning a bicycle rim to run the blower while their children sought out the buyers for their homade chisels and pliers.

According to author and Melungeon researcher Tim Hawshaw who prescribes a African Angolan origin to the Archer family.

The Archer family begins in 1647 America with related families; Archie, Bass, Bunch, Heathcock, Manly, Murray, Milton, Newsom, Roberts, and Weaver.

 

http://www.eclectica.org/v5n3/hashaw.html

 

However, Melungeon researcher James Nickens has stated to me that “The Archer family is mixed South Asian, Native American and Romani Gypsy ancestry

It is known that the Weaver family was of a South Asian ancestry from Pakistan and Northern India and they and the Manly family, who have been thought to be from Romani ancestry, were related to the Archers.

My own DNA tests have shown some North India and South India matches as well as matches to Northern Dobruja Romania and Bucharest Romania possibly with some Romani Gypsy overflow and genetic drift. If any of the original Mestee Romani Archer blood remains in the DNA it is found in these results, because the original Archers intermarried with my Cherokee families during the 1800s.  I also found it interesting that a Great Uncle bred World Class Arabian pure bred horses during the 1800's but he was of the Miller family.  Horse Breeding and taming is another Romani Gypsy legacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Romanians

Brent Kennedy, the forefather of Melungeon identity and research, has a MtDNA haplotype from the Siddi tribe in India that I believe is from a Romani Gypsy origin.  In fact the Romani descend from several diverse ethnic groups.

Many Romany share the Siddi mitochondria and the Romany-related surnames that follow this particular mitochondrial line in my family (Mullins, Bennett, Rose, etc.) would seem supportive of a Romany origin. 

http://www.melungeons.com/articles/statementfromkennedy.htm

From this website on Romani orgins by a Romani Gypsy:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~rcctoronto/diaspora.html

We originated in India but were not one specific group of Indians, not all of one caste and not even one people. In the 11th century ad there was a group of petty kingdoms in Gurjara in the Northwest area of India in what was then the Rajput Confederacy. These were feudal-type societies composed of a caste of warrior-landowners ( Kshatriya ) and a supporting population of non-warriors composed of workers and artisans who did all the work for the ruling warrior caste. Some were farmers working with animals or bred and trained horses for the warrior caste who fought on horseback as cavalry. others were metal smiths, some entertainers, others craftspeople, silver smiths, gold smiths or laundry men and women, in other words, all the people needed to maintain a working society of people.

The Romani Gypsy are a mix in and of themselves of several groups in India, (the Siddi being one of them) but they are also of several Near Eastern, Persian, Turk, Greek and various Eastern and Western European groups.

Indeed, most Romani have 60% European ancestry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddi

From the Patrin Journal, a leading Romani historian of Romani Gypsy descent (look at the Siddi contribution):

http://www.geocities.com/~Patrin/identity.htm

But are Roma, in fact, Indians? From the very beginning, the population has been a composite one, and acknowledging that fact constitutes a third approach. Evidence points to Dravidian, Scythian, and even East African (Siddhi) input into the early mix of militia and camp followers. Once in Europe, the migration-by this time a conglomerate ethnic population whose diverse speech had crystallized into one language-encountered other mobile populations and in some cases joined and intermarried with them. Sometimes the Romani cultural and linguistic presence was sufficient for the newly encountered populations to be absorbed and become Roma in subsequent generations; sometimes the Romani contribution was not sufficient to maintain itself, and other, non-Romani populations such as the Jenisch emerged. During the centuries of slavery in Moldavia and Wallachia and under conditions of oppression elsewhere in Europe, Romani women bore unwanted babies by non-Roma fathers. Cohn has estimated the mean percentage of European "blood" in the European Romani genetic makeup to be 60 percent

The Kennedy MtDNA shows conclusive proof, in my opinion, of Romani Gypsy ancestry being in the Melungeons and most likely throughout many of the descendents of the Pennsylvania Dutch and the Black Dutch of the Southern United States. 

Brent Kennedy was very close in his speculation of Turkish origin for the Melungeons, but it just so happens that it appears to be Romani Gypsy ancestry, Sub Saharan African, with some minor Native American and South Asian.

Having both Black Dutch ancestry from several families, like the Wolfe and Miller families, as well as my mixed Cherokee/Melungeon Archer family and mixed Tuscarora/Ohio Melungeon Cole family, along with my DNA results for North and South India and European Romania DNA.  I have no doubt that at least a small portion of Romani Gypsy ancestry exist in our family today.

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Tuesday, August 25th 2009

5:20 AM

New DNATribes Results

 

Nothing changed except matched some more Mediterranean and Mesopotamian.  Caucasian which is expected and mixed Northwest European and Mediterranean.

Top match to old Europe proven by paper trail was still France.  I have French ancestry, so not unexpected or surprised. 

Mestizo scores still very high and above the 95th Percetile for a Anglo American Caucasian.  Spanish still off the chart.  Several matches to Latin America, Mestizo, mixed Native American.  Lot of matches to South America, in particular Brazil, Argentina and Columbia.

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Top 40 Results

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Mestizo Results

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Saturday, August 22nd 2009

8:35 AM

In Search of the Ancient One's: Searching for Native American roots through DNA

Native American ancestry research is one of the toughest that a genealogist will ever encounter. This is due to the fact that many Native Americans (and African Americans, South Asians, Mediterranean) simply blended in to the Anglo White community and “white washed” their former ancestries with terms like Black Dutch and Black Irish.

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The brother of my Great Great Grandmother Mary Elizabeth Mowery Archer filed for a Cherokee Nation citizenship in 1896. He was rejected, although many family members and members of his community all said he and his whole family was of Cherokee blood. I imagine John would have been disappointed that his cousins rejected him, as the white man had rejected them, and moved them West on the Trail of Tears.

 

Total Records: 1

Surname

Given

Middle

Tribe

Number

Mowery

John

W

CHER

3414

8/22/2009

Page 1 of 1

 

 

The Miller family also has Native American. I have photos showing them with Asian eyes and high cheekbones. The Miller family is related to the Cole and Webb families which were of older East Coastal Native American mixed ancestry and other mixed families like the Bounds and Rousom families and the literal “Black Dutch” Wolfe family of Swiss German ancestry. The Webb family is probably of Tuscarora ancestry.

DNA Clues to Native American ancestry.

DNA testing has proved helpful in unlocking our ancestry secrets. The DNATribes test has given me high “Mestizo” results. DNATribes describes their Mestizo ancestry region as

Mestizo (“mixed”) (not shown): Native Americans who
have blended with Europeans and (to a lesser degree)
Africans in recent history. This blending is most typical of
Latin American Mestizo populations, but can also be
found in English and French speaking populations of
North America (Metis).

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MY MESTIZO SCORE DNA TRIBES ABOVE

When doing Autosomal DNA testing for ancestry the first thing you must do is to compare your results with the overall ethnic populations. In this case, since I do have significant European ancestry, I must look at the European ancestry and my scores in relation to Mestizo ancestry DNA results and also to populations that have Native American ancestry like Hispanics.

 

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As you can see from the graph above, my Mestizo DNA score was very high for a Anglo American. I am above the 95th percentile in relation to other “Anglo” Americans. My Mestizo score is also considered high for a Hispanic person.

This would conclude that Native American ancestry is in the family tree, which I know through genealogy records of families like the Archer, Miller and Mowery that it is a fact.

DNATribes does not have Cherokee and other Southeastern Native American tribes in their database. Never the less, there were also clues as to Native American origins on a tribal basis.

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Above are two tribes that are considered very high scores (although low 0.01) for an Anglo American.

Above are my scores for Athabaskan and Central American. Although this would seem to be very low, it is above the 95th Percentile and very high scores for an Anglo American.

I also recently received my Native American high resolution panel from DNATribes yesterday. In this panel, I had only one match, to the Chol Mayan tribe of Chiapas Mexico.

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(My Match to the Chol Mayan tribe on DNATribes high Native American Resolution panel.  Although low, above 95th percentile for a Anglo American)

So how could Mayan DNA ancestry travel to North America. I have two theories. One is the Camino de Real, literal in Spanish “The Royal Road or King’s Highway” which traveled from San Antonio to Natchitoches Louisiana when Texas and Louisiana were part of New Spain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_San_Antonio_Road

Many Native Americans from Northern Mexico traveled on this road to trade with the Spanish and since the Miller family was from Louisiana this could be a source. (Note: See Choctaw Apache tribe blog post below)

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The other theory is an ancient one and that being of Native American migration from the Caribbean to Florida and Louisiana. The Creek and Choctaw descend from the South, not the North, their ancestors migrated North from areas of the Yucatan to North America.

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My DNA Mestizo matches to populations in South America

Theory number two, is very possible, the Chol Mayan DNA result above could in fact be Choctaw DNA from the Miller family. Since the Miller family is closer in terms of ancestry than the Mowery Cherokee this could be the case. The Bounds family came from Kemper Mississippi, and that is Mississippi Choctaw country, and it is known that the Bounds family were there living among the Choctaw as traders and religion.

Photobucket  Mississippi Choctaw Woman in Kemper Mississippi

The search continues for our ancestry, we know we are part Cherokee, but that is not enough. The Cherokee ancestry being several generations back could have easily been genetic swamped out by now. This ancestry appears to be more recent or it may be ancient but it none the less is there.

Next on the blog, the African ancestry, as I will take the High resolution African ancestry panel.

 

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My DNA match to Mestizo (Native American mixed) in High Resolution Results DNATribes

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Wednesday, August 19th 2009

7:51 AM

The Ebarb Louisiana Choctaw Apache tribe

 

Here is some infomation on the Ebarb Choctaw Apache tribe which is in Sabine Parish on the Louisiana Texas border.  Some of the Redbones may have joined this tribe and for sure they have joined the Four Winds Cherokee tribe in Louisiana.  The Ebarb Choctaw Apache would be similar in ancestry to my own family.

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Ebarb Choctaw Apache tribal members at a Pow Wow in Ebard Lousiana

 

Choctaw-Apache Tribe of Ebarb

by Hiram F. "Pete" Gregory
A state-recognized group, part Lipan and part Choctaw, this community has lived in Sabine Parish since the 1700s. It maintains a tribal office in Zwolle, Louisiana and a pow-wow ground at Ebarb, Louisiana. Primarily English-speaking, elders are equally at ease in Spanish, and sprinkle in words from Nahuatl, Choctaw, and Coahuitecan. The tribe retains traditional crafts such as white oak basketry and foodways, such as tamales, chardizos, and salsas, as well as pan-tribal arts and crafts. Ebarb Choctaw-Apache folk artists include: Thomas Ebarb, Rhonda Gauthier
The above is from:
http://alpha.nsula.edu/departments/folklife/cultures/ebarb.html

by Tommy Bolton, Tribal Chief
The Choctaw-Apache Community of Ebarb is located in western Sabine Parish and includes in its ancestral territory the municipalities of Converse, Noble, and Zwolle, and communities of Ebarb, Blue Lake, and Grady Hill. Officially recognized by the state of Louisiana in 1977, the Tribe is the second largest of eight officially recognized American Indian groups within the state. The Tribe is currently seeking recognition by the U.S. Department of the Interior, Bureau of Indian Affairs. A petition for federal recognition was done in December of 1998, and we are awaiting word on the outcome of the petition. We learned in December, 1999, that the petition was in the Technical Assistance stage, in other words the BIA was reviewing it to assertain whether there are grounds to continue on with the process or not.

Currently there are 3276 persons eligible for membership with the Tribe. 1,400 live within the ancestral boundaries, the remainder live elsewhere in the state and from coast to coast and border to border of the United States. The two primary schools in which our children are enrolled (Ebarb and Zwolle) have combined tribal student population of over 600, and both schools receive some funding under Department of Education, Office of Indian Education, programs.

Historically, we are descendants of Apache slaves who were sold at slave markets in French and Spanish colonial era Natchitoches and Los Adaes. Oral history tells us that our Choctaw ancestors arrived in the region during the late 1700's and early 1800's, many in search of better hunting territories. Additionally, the first Indian agent of the Louisiana Purchase territory, Dr. John Sibley, gave refuge to Choctaw in an effort to protect them from persecution by their Creek neighbors, and subsequently moved two families into the area during the middle 1820's. Recent research into the tribe's history has brought to light that many of our Indian ancestors were natives of the Spanish mission and presidio of Los Adaes, adding a strong Adais identity to the Tribe. This fact dates the tribe's ancestry to the early 1720's and gives us the distinction of being one of the few native Indian groups of the state.

The first weekend in May of each year the Tribe hosts a traditional powwow at the Ebarb High School ball park. This event is attended by many of our Indian friends from across the country, representing 20 or more different tribes, and is an alcohol and drug free event suited for families. The general public is invited to attend and to enjoy the music, dance, food, and arts and crafts. CLICK HERE for pictures from one of the Pow-Wows.. For more information, contact the Tribal Office.

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Tuesday, August 18th 2009

8:02 AM

Native American and Identity

 

My kids, Erin and Kristen are Cherokee through me and their mother.

Their mom is part Cherokee, part Roma, part Anglo and part Hispanic.

Photobucket  Many of my daughters cousins are models who resemble Q’orianka Kilcher who played Pocohantas in the movie New World.  They have very Native features with Asian eyes.  The mixture is Lipan Apache/Payaya with Spanish

However, we are not Cherokee, not in the sense of being a “Citizen” of the Cherokee Nation. The youngest is into science and the oldest is heavy into tribal cultures and religion. When someone ask them their heritage or ethnic background they simply say “We are mixed”.

My kids have a lot of Native American blood running through their veins. In fact, they have more than a lot of tribal enrolled members of the Cherokee Nation today.

Their Great Gradmother Sarah is half Cherokee and their Grandpa David is one quarter and looks it. Their Grandmother Judy is of Hispanic, Roma Gypsy, French and Lipan Apache/Payaya Native American.  Their mom, looks and is, Cherokee.

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Like all mixed families, some of their family is dark and some are light. Some embrace the Cherokee and Native American culture, some do not. That is how mixed families go, identity becomes personal and complex and it is the same way for my kids.

The Anglo community has lost a lot of their culture and identity. They are trying to replace that with being Native American. That is because deep down they know they have been “hoodwinked” into this “me” culture and this consumerism materialistic culture to make the American machine “go“ for the sake of money, wealth and power.

Because of it, we have lost a lot of our traditions.

Kristen  Kristen, oldest daughter, is into tribal cultures and religion

The Black Dutch term, used by many of our ancestors, is a sliver of that tradition.  Being Black Dutch is more than being of mixed ancestry.

Now, John Mowery, a ancestor, was Cherokee by blood, and so was his sister Mary Elizabeth Mowery Archer. 

However, the Cherokee Nation rejected them.  

The "Nation" rejected a lot of these folks because they did not live in Indian territory. John filed a application with the Cherokee Nation in 1896 but was rejected.

So why would I want to join a tribe that rejected my ancestors?

Total Records: 1 
Surname   Given   Middle   Tribe   Number  
Mowery John W CHER 3414
8/18/2009 Page 1 of 1

Total Records: 1

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/commissionresults.php?s_surname=Mowery&s_given=John&s_middle=

 

No offense to the Cherokee Nation, but no thank you.

Being Native American is about culture and identity. My identity is that of the Black Dutch and being a Mestee, a Mestizo, of mostly Anglo American descent, even though I have Native American through the Archers, Giddens, Mowerys and Millers, I am of mostly Welsh, French, English, Swiss German and Mestizo ancestry (and that mysterious Portuguese stuff of the Melungeons which is not that mysterious).

I am not however, a member of a Native American tribe nor am I Native American, even though, I have the ancestry, proven through records and my Mestizo DNA results

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The Miller Family, Ethel and my Great Grandmother Christine

If I choose to engage in any part of the Native American culture it was because I was invited to do so. Me and my ex wife were friends with a Chickasaw family for years in Texas and went to Pow Wows with them as a example. I learned the Native flute from a Apache man and I enjoy it, but that does not make me Native American.

We, as Mestee and Mestizos need to respect the Native American tribes and their culture by not trying to be something we are not, and at the same time we need to respect and honor our own Native American and Mestizo heritage by being what we are.....

Black Dutch and proud of it.

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Monday, August 17th 2009

9:01 AM

East Texas Redbones: In Search of the Ancient One's Documentary Film

East Texas Redbones: In search of the ancient ones, is my first attempt at a documentary. In the film we explore the origins of the Nash and Goins families primarily and the East Texas Redbone people. The origin of the terms Redbone and others like Melungeon and the origin of the racial ethnic origins of the Redbone people through genealogy and DNA testing. I also explore the culture of the early Redbone people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redbone_(ethnicity)

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Caddoan Mounds High Temple Mound, Alto, Texas

It is also was a attempt to find the actual Native American origin of the East Texas Redbone people.

My first visit was to go to the one place that I knew about that was of East Texas Native American origin. The Caddoan Mounds, a ancient Native American village in East Texas. The Museum folks let me film there and I talked with them about the origins of the people.

http://www.thc.state.tx.us/hsites/hs_caddo.aspx?Site=Caddohttp://www.thc.state.tx.us/hsites/hs_caddo.aspx?Site=Caddo

 

It is known that the historian Webster Talma Crawford believed that the Redbone people had blood in their veins from the Lipan Apache, Choctaw, Coushatta and the Caddo. He also believed they had Mediterranean and Moor ancestry. DNA has shown that the Redbones have all these ethnic ancestries and more. I explain some of the theories in the film as well as visit some of the known Redbone locations.  I went deep into the East Texas Woods, explored cemeteries and other locations of interest, searching directly, for the Redbone ancestors.

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My second visit was meeting up with Cyndie Goins and her father, both of them Redbone descendents of William “Bill” Goyens Jr. who was a Native American interpreter and friend of Sam Houston. Goyens was a businessman in Nacogdoches, TX and became wealthy in the early days of the Texas Republic. Cydie tells the story of William Goyens in the film and in the film we visit the burial grounds of William Goyens on Goyens Hill, which is also a Native American and Spanish burial ground . We then go to the marker of William Goyens Jr which is located in Nacogdoches, TX.

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The third visit was in Paris, TX where myself, Cyndie Goins and Stacy Webb all were giving presentations on Mestee Maroon communities and families at the East Texas Historical Association Spring Program.

http://www.easttexashistorical.org/v3/events/Spring%202009%20Program.pdf

There I interviewed Stacy Webb, a Redbone Nash-Goins-Sweat-Perkins-Stringer descendent. In fact, I think Stacy has more Mestee Maroon ancestors than anyone I have ever met. Her Stringer and my Archer family were on early records in Eastern North Carolina as being Free People of Color. We discuss the Native American origins of the Nash family in detail and several topics on the Redbone people. We also discuss the Thomas and Benjamin Nash family Redbone origins

http://www.familyphotosandinfo.parrottfarms.com/nash.html

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Benjamin Nash gave permission for Anglo Americans to settle on Coushatta lands.

I enjoyed making this film, it was great fun. The film will be showing at the next Redbone Conference. I believe anyone interested in Mestee or Black Dutch, Redbone, Melungeon ancestry will enjoy it .

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Love's Lookout in Jacksonville, TX

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Sunday, August 16th 2009

7:17 PM

Black Dutch Ramblings of a Guinea Wop

Some Redbones in the past have even called some other Redbones "Redneck" and "White Trash" and also "N-lover". This was during a time when the African ancestry was called into question a couple of years back.

What else were they going to call them...."Redbones"?

 

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{Note: Redbone Historian Don Marler replied that Redbones would go after each other like their Dogs go after a Feral Hog in a fight. They were right, and so do Melungeons, Lumbees, Carolina Portuguese, Black Dutch and others. Temperament is these groups run high.}

In this regard, those terms were used in the same fashion by the White population in the 1800's calling people Melungeon or Redbone. No different at all and what a shame to use those terms for their own cousins.

And "Redneck", is a derogatory racial epitaph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

Sadly, the use of derogatory racial terms continues even in Mestee communities and even though we have tried to turn those terms into a moniker of pride and identity in our mixed ancestors.

The Mestee Communities were called several racial epitaphs. Redbone, Melungeon, Brass Ankles, Marlboro Blues, Cooperhead people, Guineas, Dominickers, Dominos and many many others these are just a few.

However, there were only six terms that the Mestee Maroon Communities used for themselves and all six would take a separate article that we will not go into at this time.

These six terms are....

1. Black Dutch (meaning Black German) a term used to explain dark racial phenotype features such as Black hair color by far the most popular term

2. Portuguese (a historic term used by various Mestee communities throughout the United States) Used by several Maroon communities

3. Black Irish (meaning a Dark haired person of Irish ancestry) rare but sometimes used in Mestee communities

4. Indian (Native American)

5. Blackfoot (Eastern Native American)

6. Cherokee (Native American)

We will look into these terms later....right now our focus is on the term Black Dutch which my family used

http://www.nativepeoples.com/article/articles/164/1/The-Elusive-Black-Dutch-of-the-South/Page1.html

According to Wikipedia...

Black Dutch

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Black Dutch is a term with several different meanings in United States dialect and slang. It generally refers to racial, ethnic, or cultural roots, but its meaning is different in different parts of the nation. A few different groups of people have used the term "Black Dutch," often as ancestral reference.

Black Dutch is an American ethnic designation no longer used officially but often found in the lore passed down in certain families of mixed ancestry, especially those of Cherokee descent. In common usage, it does not imply African admixture, although some families that use the term are of tri-racial descent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dutch

My family has used three terms 1. Black Dutch 2. Cherokee and on rare occasions 3. Portuguese.

During a family reunion once my father replied when the question of ethnic ancestry came up in our family "We are Black Dutch, Cherokee and Black (African)".

Because our phenotype ranges from Northern European to Mediterranean, this shocked some family members (the younger ones) the older generations did not say a word, no denial, nothing.

We were always brought up with being of partial Cherokee heritage, my Uncle used the moniker of "Squatche" for me saying I was "a little Indian crapper" (laughing and remembering) yet he was not far from the truth as my DNA is very high in Mestizo ancestry.

The only time I do remember being signaled out was once being called a "Guinea Wop" by a guy in Houston. When I asked mom and dad what was a "Guinea Wop" Dad immediately went out and beat the guy up. And that is the thing with racial epitaphs, when it is among family and cousins that is fine, but you never know when someone is going to be offended. What was Dad mad about? It was because the person used it in a derogatory manner.

Some say this about Redbone and Melungeon terms, but why not use those terms, if (like the term Redneck) you can use those terms as a source of pride I say why not? The terms today are not used in derogatory manner are they? What greater way to recognize our mixed blood heritage by turning the terms around and using them as a source of pride?

So I say,

You know what, I am damn proud to be a Guinea Wop Black Dutch!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, August 16th 2009

5:50 PM

Redleg Nation: Redlegs of Barbados and South Carolina

When one thinks of derogatory and discrimination of ethnic groups in the United States they think of the so called "Minority groups" such as African American, Hispanic, Native American and Jew.

However, as I have stated before in the below blogs, discrimination had as much or more so to do with social status as it had to do with ethnic ancestry.

This is especially true in the United States, where populations were admixing with other races early on and yet, still having a caste system in place based solely on social standing and not so much on skin color (though that also was a part of it of course)

The Barbados Red legs

Such is a group known as the Barbados Red legs who were a class of poor Northern European Celtic ancestry whites mixed with German and some Portuguese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlegs

Redlegs was a term used to refer to the class of poor whites that lived on colonial Barbados, St. Vincent, Grenada and a few other Caribbean islands. In Belize, Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago they are known as "Bakras" ("Back-Row"). Many of these people were English, Irish, or Scottish, and had originally arrived on Barbados in the early to mid 17th century as slaves, indentured servants, or as transported prisoners, notably from Oliver Cromwell's wars in Ireland and Scotland and from southwest England following the Monmouth Rebellion. Small groups of Germans and Portuguese were also imported as plantation labourers. Many were described as "white slaves". According to folk etymology, the name is derived from the effects of the tropical sun on their fair-skinned legs. However, the term "Redlegs" and its variants were in use for Irish soldiers of the same sort as those later transported to Barbados, and the variant "Red-shankes" is recorded by Edmund Spenser in his dialogue on "the Present State of Ireland" as early as the 16th century.

This group was mostly Northern European and of Celtic ancestry and were basically chattel slaves to the wealthy English.

As you can see, because of their social standing, they were also given a derogratory racial epitaph no different than the Mestee Communities in the United States.

This would be equivilant to the modern day racial derogratory terms of "Redneck" and "White Trash" AND THOSE NAMES ARE DEGROGRATORY RACIAL TERMS. Although adopted by rural Anglo Americans as moniker of their culture today.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARIBBEAN/2001-04/0986680712

The South Carolina Redlegs

I have searched the web for information about this group but could not find a link between them and the Redlegs of Barbados. They were in a area close to the South Carolina Redbones, so they may be of the same ancestry. If anyone has any information on this group would be appreciated. They appear to be of the same racial admixture as the Brass Ankle people of Orangeburgh SC.

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Sunday, August 16th 2009

7:21 AM

DBB: "The Dreaded Black Blood" in Mestee Communities

 

DBB, is a little abbreviated saying I like to say when talking about Mestee ancestry. DBB: "The Dreaded Black Blood" in the family tree.

For many Melungeons, Redbones, Brass Ankles this has always been a issue for them and they denied it for several years without really understanding early American history among Mestee Maroon communities.

Photobucket  A Maroon Black Indian

Frank Sweet, is a historian I have met who is a facts guy. I believe Frank was a computer programmer at one time. So not only is he way more knowledgeable and smarter than me about Maroon and Mestee communities but he also knows much more about DNA and the ancestry of the Melungeons. I believe Frank is 100% correct about the ancestry and about Sub Saharan African ancestors being in the genepool. But the American public is still not able to accept this fact even to this day. Frank I imagine has been ridiculed for some of his posts which is a shame. He just presents the facts, and we need to take that data and accept it at some point, to deny it is simply not a truth for Mestee research. Besides that, I think he is a good guy.

http://knol.google.com/k/frank-w-sweet/melungeons-redbones-and-other-us/k16kl3c2f2au/22#

Gabe "Mishiho" Gabehart is a enrolled member of the Chickasaw Nation. Gabe is good guy who is Native American through and through. I have met Gabe as well.

For Gabe, being a Redbone or Native American is not so much a color issue as it is a culture issue. Gabe's motto is "Indians hung out with Indians" and that is true. Gabe, as well, has received negative responses for his views as well.

http://redbone-red-bone.blogspot.com/

It would appear that both men are at odds with each other on this issue but they are not. In fact both men are 100% correct.

How can this be?

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Florida Seminoles

Because the Eastern tribes absorbed vast amounts of both Northern European and Sub Saharan African ancestry, some, more than others. But that is not the issue as this is as much about culture as it is about ancestry.

The Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Lumbee and other little known tribes absorbed Sub Saharan African run away  populations which became part of their tribe.

Many did not join the African American population and for all intents and purposes considered themselves members of the Native American tribe.

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Indeed, Native Americans did not have a prejudice against Africans, the whites had to teach them that view. Native Americans considered that once you joined and were accepted into the tribe you were, regardless of color, Native American.

Many families still do this to this day. Others do not.

There were four groups which were as much about social status and culture as much as they were about ethnic ancestry.

1. The European White population. (No matter the ancestry. The Pendarvis family was a "White" family of partial African ancestry. For all intents they were considered "White" because they were privileged in the community. There were hundreds of such families. The Red Rolfe's who descend from Pocahontas are also such a family)

2. The Black Slave population, later African American community. (No matter the ancestry, if your mother was a slave you were a slave unless given freedom. Hundreds of these families had significant White ancestry and not all of it was due to the public myth. There were hundreds of white European slaves as well.  The Jim Crowe laws decided who was Black, or Colored, not the people)

3. The Native American tribes. All of the Southeastern United States tribes absorbed a vast amount of Sub Saharan African. Some, more than others, like the Seminole tribe of Florida or the Pamunkey tribe of Virginia but all became mixed in early American history.

4. The Mestee Maroon Communities. The Melungeons, Redbones, Brass Ankle people also absorbed Sub Saharan African as well as Native American. There is also Mediterranean is some of these groups as well as French Huguenot and Middle Eastern. Such as the Joseph Benhaley family (actually Yosef Bin Ali) of the Maroon group known as "The Turks" in North Carolina.

Some do not acknowledge that part of their ancestry as well.

Photobucket  Abram, a Black Florida Seminole

So in conclusion, as you see, it was not so much the ancestry than it was the culture that you grew up in and the identity of that culture.

Is the DBB in the Maroon communities? Yes, Americans are a vast mixture of ethnic populations and it continues today, in all the various groups, there is not one full blood Anglo, Native American or African American in the United States, but there are members of each ethnic community.

Culture and Identity are complex.

Ancestry is not.......it is just facts......

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Creeks_in_Oklahoma.png#file

Creeks in Oklahoma, l to r, Lochar Harjo, unidentifed man, John McGilvry, and Silas Jefferson (aka. Hotulkomiko).  Silas Jefferson, a Black Creek Indian on the Creek Tribal Council 1877

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Saturday, August 15th 2009

8:42 AM

The Cole and Webb Families of Anson County North Carolina

 

The Redbones of Louisiana ethnic ancestry were described by Webster T. Crawford as being a mixture of, Mediterranean, Portuguese, Spanish, Native American and other traces leading to the Moors.....

 

Photobucket   Redbone ancestor of the Stringer Family

However, the Louisiana Redbones did not begin in Morocco or the Middle East (though the DNA does confirm high levels of those ancestries and much much more including Native Aboriginal East India and Africa as the original source). 

The ancestors of the Redbones began in North and South Carolina where they admixed heavily with other  "Free People of Color" in the area.

The Redbones were not the only mixed race people of Southeastern North Carolina though, other families like the Cole and Webb families (like the Redbones) are of this same mixed ethnic stock. 

Some of these families were listed on census records as Free People of Color, Free Black, Mulatto, Indian and white.  They were called derogatory racial epitaphs such as Brass Ankles, Marlboro Blues and the infamous Crotoan Indians. 

Many today are tribal members of the Lumbee Indians and other Native American tribes in the area.

 

The Bounds Family of Anson/Richmond North Carolina

The Bounds family in Richmond North Carolina married into both my Cole and Webb families.

My initial thoughts were that the Bounds family was of pure Welsh extraction since the name is of Welsh origin. However, if they were of Welsh ancestry on the ship over to the New World they did not stay that way for very long.

My six times Great Grandmother is Rebecca Rausom/Rousom who married James Bounds, whose son Jesse Bounds married Mary Webb.  Rebecca Rousom's physical features were described as such in  the following in records.

said to have had long black hair, a beautiful singing voice and looked "Italian"

Long black hair, singing voice, looked Italian

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2322479&id=I508389285

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=skellar176&id=I1783

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lzrslong/b414.htm

Is this the source of many family legends of “Black Dutch” and “Portuguese” ancestry?

Who was Rebecca Rousom to be described as “Italian looking”?

We must remember that at this time in American history that women were regarded as little more than chattel slavery. Many marriages were out of a need for survival by both male, female and family units, and racial ethnic history did not matter or had very little meaning.  Rebecca very easily could have been of Roma Gypsy ancestry, indeed, the Cole family is in some records as being of this ancestry.

The Bounds family then married into the Coles and Webbs in Anson County NC.

 

Photobucket   Who was my 6X Great Grandmother Rebecca Rousom Bounds?

 

The Cole and Webb families

I descend from the Cole and Webb families of Richmond North Carolina.  The Cole family married into the Perkins family in North Carolina, some of these families it appears may have migrated into Kentucky and Ohio where they became the Carmel Ohio Melungeons or Carmel Indians.  Surnames of the Carmel Melungeons are Cole, Perkins and Gipson/Gibson.

http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Inn/1024/carmel1/Carmel1.htm

http://www.buckeyepower.com/cl/upload/pg_228.pdf

Perkins is a known Louisiana Redbone surname and is probably connected to Carmel Ohio Melungeons.

The Cole name is also a known Lumbee surname in the area along with Webb. 

The Webb family are most probably of Tuscarora Native American ancestry mixed with "other", I suspect the "other" is Middle Eastern, South Asian or Roma ancestry but at this point in time that ancestry has not been proved. 

These mixed families then married other similar families of non-Anglo ethnic admixture, including West African Angolan Bantu, along with Northern European in Southeastern North Carolina.

 

Photobucket      Tuscarora Native American Indian Woman

The Webb family

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/i/Derrick-M-Keith/FILE/0022text.txt

On the Webb Family of North Carolina website it states the following....

They have been identified as native americans and free land owners as early as
1759. Many descendents are members of the present day Waccamaw Indian tribe
based in North and South Carolina. DNA samples taken of Webb relatives shows a
very high percentage of native American, suggesting heavy Indian blood. Other
Webb relatives show Indian/caucasian blood mixtures, suggesting intermarriage
with white spouses.  Interesting physical features of the Webbs show skin tones
that vary from very light to dark red color.

Because Webb is an English name, the origins are more likely a mixture of Indian
and English. There is no proof that they are Waccamaw indians other then being
“indigenous” to the local lands of the Waccamaw, based on land deeds and
intermarriage with Waccamaw families.

There is some speculation that the Webbs may have been migrants from VA, either
as freed blacks or Mulattos, or the product of an indentured servant white women
and freed slaves. VA was home to free Webb families of color as early 1600’s.

I suspect that the Webb family is all of the above, including Nanticoke Native American , African Mulatto, Waccamaw Native American and the Tuscarora tribe. 

 Perhaps even Mediterranean and Spanish/Iberian connection off the coast of Maryland.  There is probably a strong connection to the Delaware Moors and Nanticoke of Maryland.

The descendents of the Webb and Cole families, even today, still show the ethnic physical features, of the early American Colonist of different ethnic types and their admixture with Native Americans.


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